[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by tdott

Again you are choosing the wrong moment, show what it is like at turn in.



Hint, it's the top left pic.


Also go look at some of the other passes at that very corner. Alex even passed RAI there, yet Horner said no one ever passes there.

Taking a corner too hot can certainly get you "nearly alongside"

[racerbruce]

The perils of risk vs reward....VER and HAM wanted the same section of track....VER's trajectory pinched off the apex....VER made contact with HAM....at 180 MPH....this was purely a racing incident.

From my post #297 in this thread.

[M5Rick]

This is how it's done HAM,Ricciardo shows him how..
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89611...about-max.html

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

This is how it's done HAM,Ricciardo shows him how..
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89611...about-max.html

Sir Lewis inquired about Max immediately after the incident. Why are you posting this foolishness?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's just the point of it . MAX was still the leader "IN" Copse turn .
Hammy shouldn't be there ...It looks like Hammy missed the Apex completely !

OK . I'll post it again ..

Max will race in Hungary according to Marko.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89590...air-rb16b.html

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Sir Lewis inquired about Max immediately after the incident. Why are you posting this foolishness?

Did he? Is that why he celebrated so much.

[Cyn-BMW]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Fair point. But it also surfaces what seems to be inconsistent application of penalties and ambiguity in the rules.

Interesting to hear the teams conversations with the FIA this year. Christian Horner and Helmot Marko performed the equivalent of a football (soccer) dive to get the refs attention. Of course Toto Wolfe had to then turn up the volume with messages and a dash to see the stewards with an email. The theatrics the rules and regulations now evoke takes away from the racing.

Yes, I agree about the inconsistency. That’s why I’ve stated that the stewarts should be the same people at every race. And, they should have to go through extensive training. The reason why they put the blame on Hammy, is because he completely missed the apex.

[racerbruce]

HAM asking about VER at 2 min 55 sec....watch this short video:

It is apparent that those that say HAM did not ask about VER were not watching the race or are creating their incessant spin....

Here's reality...the perils of risk vs reward....VER and HAM wanted the same section of track....VER's trajectory pinched off the apex....VER made contact with HAM....at 180 MPH....this was purely a racing incident.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Cyn-BMW

Yes, I agree about the inconsistency. That’s why I’ve stated that the stewarts should be the same people at every race. And, they should have to go through extensive training...

Now that I agree with!!!

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

this was purely a racing incident.

That is for the FIA to decide.
And they decided it was HAM fault. Hence the penalty.

[rwheels]

(found in the web)

Summary of everyone’s take on Hamilton/Verstappen crash so far.

This is a summary of the drivers, team principals and commentators who have been vocal enough to voice their opinion on the collision between Hamilton and Max on Sunday.
Drivers (past and present)

• Daniel Ricciardo: Lewis error (unintentional)
• Mark Webber: Lewis error (unintentional)
• Alex Albon (bias RB): unclear but implied neither at fault?
• Charles Leclerc: Racing incident
• Jolyon Palmer: Racing incident
• Fernando Alonso: Racing incident
• David Coulthard (bias RB): Lewis error (unintentional)
• Martin Brundle: Racing incident
• Jenson Button: Lewis error (unintentional)
• Karun Chandhok: Racing incident

Non-drivers
• Will Buxton: Racing incident
• Otmar Szafnauer (bias Merc): Racing incident
• Lawrence Barretto: Max error (unintentional)

Basically irrelevant (bias...)
• Toto Wolff: Racing incident
• Christian Horner: Penalty inappropriate, Lewis error (intentional)
• Lewis Hamilton: Max error (unintentional)
• Helmut Marko: Penalty inappropriate, Lewis error (intentional)

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Would you for once in your life stop quoting the exact text and snipping the exact images out of context that agree with your opinion.

Your "Along side" snips are right after they were ACTUALLY along side eachother.
If you read Riccardo's entire interview it leans towards a racing incident. Same with Leclerc who was RIGHT behind them and has races Max wheel to wheel for his whole life and Alonso who is one of THE F1 veterans. Chill. Dude. Just Chill.

Totally agree with you. Just add Belgium and M5 to your block list. Than they can have their tin hat conversation, and the rest of us can all move on.

I did it a while back. It has worked very well.

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Totally agree with you. Just add Belgium and M5 to your block list. Than they can have their tin hat conversation, and the rest of us can all move on.

I did it a while back. It has worked very well.

I too blocked a few miscreants many months ago....the peace and quiet have returned to my zpost site.

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by rwheels

(found in the web)

summary of everyone’s take on hamilton/verstappen crash so far.

This is a summary of the drivers, team principals and commentators who have been vocal enough to voice their opinion on the collision between hamilton and max on sunday.
Drivers (past and present)

• daniel ricciardo: Lewis error (unintentional) u
• mark webber: Lewis error (unintentional) u
• alex albon (bias rb): Unclear but implied neither at fault? n
• charles leclerc: Racing incident r
• jolyon palmer: Racing incident r
• fernando alonso: Racing incident r
• david coulthard (bias rb): Lewis error (unintentional) u
• martin brundle: Racing incident r
• jenson button: Lewis error (unintentional) u
• karun chandhok: Racing incident r

unintentional: 4
neither: 1
racing incident: 5

non-drivers
• will buxton: Racing incident r
• otmar szafnauer (bias merc): Racing incident r
• lawrence barretto: Max error (unintentional) u

unintentional: 1
racing incident: 2

basically irrelevant (bias...)
• toto wolff: Racing incident
• christian horner: Penalty inappropriate, lewis error (intentional)
• lewis hamilton: Max error (unintentional)
• helmut marko: Penalty inappropriate, lewis error (intentional)

basically irrelevant: I agree

Total Scores:
Unintentional: 5
Neither: 1
Racing Incident: 7

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by EdM5

Ok let's cut the crap! This is racing remember.

My take on this shit - as a Max compatriot.

Max had it coming. Period.

His elbows out combat style is always super aggressive and he has a a reputation of bullying all of his competitors into submission (notable exception Leclerc and maybe Ricciardo).
You cannot really expect a formidable opponent like Lewis to back out each time they fight for position. Anyone with a sense of F1 history knew that at one point it would get nasty between Lewis and Max.
The only thing is, you could argue that Copse corner is the wrong place to make contact. That was Lewis' mistake. The crash was horrific. But you cannot blame Lewis for sticking up for himself.

So all you fanboys please stop whining like little bitches and enjoy this possibly legendary rivalry!

My posts are not crap mate ! Just facts !
As you say you're a MAX compatriot , that's really hard to believe from your shitty words !
Just show your post at the "Orange Legion" in your Orange country . They really can help you further with finding the right words ...

Your video shows what ?
That MAX was for a sec. airborn ,and flew with 300 km/h over the gravel an hits the wall with 51 G !
Yeah mate , your video is really a fantastic spectacle !
Don't scream too loud . Maybe Hammy is next to meet the wall ...
But he already kissed the wall at Imola ! At that time I really missed you Sir7Hammy-gurus !

13 races are left <=> 13 times WW III

I'll post something else for you from his ex-teammate RIC .
Period !!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by rwheels

(found in the web)

Summary of everyone’s take on Hamilton/Verstappen crash so far.

This is a summary of the drivers, team principals and commentators who have been vocal enough to voice their opinion on the collision between Hamilton and Max on Sunday.
Drivers (past and present)

• Daniel Ricciardo: Lewis error (unintentional)
• Mark Webber: Lewis error (unintentional)
• Alex Albon (bias RB): unclear but implied neither at fault?
• Charles Leclerc: Racing incident
• Jolyon Palmer: Racing incident
• Fernando Alonso: Racing incident
• David Coulthard (bias RB): Lewis error (unintentional)
• Martin Brundle: Racing incident
• Jenson Button: Lewis error (unintentional)
• Karun Chandhok: Racing incident

Non-drivers
• Will Buxton: Racing incident
• Otmar Szafnauer (bias Merc): Racing incident
• Lawrence Barretto: Max error (unintentional)

Basically irrelevant (bias...)
• Toto Wolff: Racing incident
• Christian Horner: Penalty inappropriate, Lewis error (intentional)
• Lewis Hamilton: Max error (unintentional)
• Helmut Marko: Penalty inappropriate, Lewis error (intentional)

(found in the web-universal)

[TheDudeMan]

Rubbings, racing! Can't be a world champ and be a puss. Max equally took the chance of going on the outside and trying to squeeze Hami - Hami didn't like being squeezed and the result is the result.

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

(found in the web-universal)

Who was polled?

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

(found in the web-universal)

Add this. Not that it will change minds but for the record:

Villeneuve sided with Verstappen: 'Hamilton misjudged the situation'

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89599...situation.html

Does anyone have anything from an F1 Driver saying it was mainly or purely Verstappen's fault?

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Add this. Not that it will change minds but for the record:

Villeneuve sided with Verstappen: 'Hamilton misjudged the situation'

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/89599...situation.html

Does anyone have anything from an F1 Driver saying it was mainly or purely Verstappen's fault?

To quote;

"It wasn't like Lewis deliberately steered into Max's car, like Michael Schumacher did to me at Jerez in 1997," the Canadian continued."

[GuidoK]

So 51G. impact
An average head weighs 5kg. Lets say the helmet weighs 1kg (1,25 weight limit), thats 6kg.

6x50G (1g for normal gravity)=300kg, so an extra force of 300kg (661lbs.) was put on his head/neck.

I'm not going to try that, but I imagine that if neckbraces etc werent there, his head would be torn off or so...

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Does anyone have anything from an F1 Driver saying it was mainly or purely Verstappen's fault?

I don't think so, the closest might be Alonso's quote from https://www.planetf1.com/news/fernan...ion-disappear/

Fernando Alonso has suggested Lewis Hamilton’s penalty for his opening-lap collision with Max Verstappen at the British Grand Prix was harsh.

"Lewis had more than half a car alongside Max. ... Lewis could not disappear from the inside line. It’s not that you can vanish."

“It was an unfortunate moment of the race, but nothing intentional or nothing any of the two drivers did wrong in my opinion."