[Car-Addicted]

Automated Vehicle Identification Systems (AVIS) are camera-based technologies used by law enforcement to detect and record traffic violations, primarily speeding and red-light infractions. Most notably in Colorado, these systems have recently expanded to include "average speed" corridors that track a vehicle across a stretch of road to calculate its speed over time, making traditional "brake-at-the-camera" tactics ineffective.

The surveillance state grows throughout the U.S. How long will it take for governments to use the AVIS system and the new kill switch to leave you waiting on the side of the road awating the police to deliver your ticket.

We have all thought about having the police waiting for us after a long trip on a toll road where the toll time stamps prove you were speeding?

Only a matter of time until GPS tracking is used to tax vehicles based on distance traveled.

[Alfisti]

You guys would lose your god-damnded mind if you set foot in Australia. Avg speed calculators have been used foor eons.

[x622]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Automated Vehicle Identification Systems (AVIS) are camera-based technologies used by law enforcement to detect and record traffic violations, primarily speeding and red-light infractions. Most notably in Colorado, these systems have recently expanded to include "average speed" corridors that track a vehicle across a stretch of road to calculate its speed over time, making traditional "brake-at-the-camera" tactics ineffective.

The surveillance state grows throughout the U.S. How long will it take for governments to use the AVIS system and the new kill switch to leave you waiting on the side of the road awating the police to deliver your ticket.

We have all thought about having the police waiting for us after a long trip on a toll road where the toll time stamps prove you were speeding?

Only a matter of time until GPS tracking is used to tax vehicles based on distance traveled.

Yup. Last time I was in Denver seeing a show at the red rocks, I had to get out of the HOV and back into a different lane since I misunderstood nav. What was the result? An auto created ticket. Because I exited the hov, I got a fine, automatically enforced, that no police officer would ever truly hit me with. Especially since I wasn't a resident of the state and didn't even understand that would happen.

I am glad that Colorado has turned into a dystopian hellscape modeled after California. I watched it happen in the early 2000s, a once rugged individualistic outdoorsy state is now a cesspool of fucking stupidity.

I don't think it'll spread to other states that fast, but Colorado residents get what they deserve. If you live there and don't like the politics, leave.

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

You guys would lose your god-damnded mind if you set foot in Australia. Avg speed calculators have been used foor eons.

Exactly, this is very effective way of regulating speeding, Austria also has it for more than 10years called "Section control", where picture of your car is taken when you enter, and then again after 5-10km when you exit that area, and it compares average time/speed. Super effective

[Car-Addicted]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".
Benjamin Franklin

[pbonsalb]

Big Brother is watching.

[RM7]

If people stopped crashing and were paying attention, we wouldn't be here.

[No one]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Automated Vehicle Identification Systems (AVIS) are camera-based technologies used by law enforcement to detect and record traffic violations, primarily speeding and red-light infractions.

I rather like it as a car rental company (), even though I have never used it.

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

these systems have recently expanded to include "average speed" corridors that track a vehicle across a stretch of road to calculate its speed over time, making traditional "brake-at-the-camera" tactics ineffective.

I had to brake before the camera and drive explicitly slowly after a spurt for a while, which was bullshit because I didn't know how much time to "dump". This is exactly why this shit is (should be) illegal: (where I am stuck) traffic law doesn't mention an "average speed", there's no means to control it while driving (abide ) and fining procedure requires exact place and time, not "somewhere out there as we calculate for our profit".

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

How long will it take for governments to use the AVIS system and the new kill switch to leave you waiting on the side of the road awating the police to deliver your ticket.

Book it in advance to save some time, at least.

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Only a matter of time until GPS tracking is used to tax vehicles based on distance traveled.

An odometer should be fine. But where I am stuck they play it simply: a car is taxed regardless of if you drive it at all.

[maticCRO]

@No one
Its an easy solution, if on that section limit is 65 mph, you drive 65 mph the whole section and Voila, you are abiding...

[No one]

Originally Posted by maticCRO

@No one
Its an easy solution, if on that section limit is 65 mph, you drive 65 mph the whole section and Voila, you are abiding...

Well. What if you happen to drive slower? We are talking about "average speed", right? If you are after easy solutions I won't remind you what it is, it should be easier to use this site, for example. To do it you need to take a ride through the section and notice how long it took you. Obtain the result. You might be surprised if you followed your suggestion. At this point, I'd rather have it easier indeed. That could be to find out how much time they give you (will they share?) and avoid finishing the section too fast (it may be not permitted to stop there).

[Car-Addicted]

BMW will be contacting the "obey the speed limit folks" about repossessing your cars. Special pricing on a VW Jetta will be offered. It will do 65mph all day.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by RM7

If people stopped crashing and were paying attention, we wouldn't be here.

That's my whole issue though, so much focus on speed because it can be a great revenue generator but the bigger issue is people not paying attention. I drive aggressively and well above the limit if i can get away with it and not had an at-fault accident in 30 years of driving.

My wife is much more passive but has had 5 at fault incidents.

[Vindicator3]

I posted this in another thread at some point, but 40 years ago driving the PA turnpike, we got on with a time-stamped ticket showing which on-ramp number you used. Then you paid your toll when you got off, based on distance traveled from that on ramp to your chosen exit ramp. I was paranoid about speeding because it would be so easy to demonstrate when you got off and paid your toll, given that the exits were a known distance apart and the time stamps could be used to instantly calculate your average speed. Glad they didn't actually do that, but never undertsood why they didn't.

[No one]

Originally Posted by Vindicator3

I posted this in another thread at some point, but 40 years ago driving the PA turnpike, we got on with a time-stamped ticket showing which on-ramp number you used. Then you paid your toll when you got off, based on distance traveled from that on ramp to your chosen exit ramp. I was paranoid about speeding because it would be so easy to demonstrate when you got off and paid your toll, given that the exits were a known distance apart and the time stamps could be used to instantly calculate your average speed. Glad they didn't actually do that, but never undertsood why they didn't.

Apparently, because you paid them. They can not charge you twice for the same thing or use your testimony against you - this should be illegal.

[kudos]

Keep in mind all of this can be argued at the citizen level. You can vote these morons out and argue with them at townhalls. Take out ads on the issue because it's likely the average person has no idea what is going on.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Vindicator3

I posted this in another thread at some point, but 40 years ago driving the PA turnpike, we got on with a time-stamped ticket showing which on-ramp number you used. Then you paid your toll when you got off, based on distance traveled from that on ramp to your chosen exit ramp. I was paranoid about speeding because it would be so easy to demonstrate when you got off and paid your toll, given that the exits were a known distance apart and the time stamps could be used to instantly calculate your average speed. Glad they didn't actually do that, but never understood why they didn't.

Yeah, when I drove the PA turnpike way back in the day I used to worry about the same thing. I figured I'd argue the amount of time it took to get the paper ticket at entry and pay the toll at exit knocked the average speed down.

[ASAP]

The moment speed cameras become mainstream in the US... the performance car market dies a painful death... thankfully we aren't quite there yet but who knows what they are doing w the flock cameras.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by ASAP

The moment speed cameras become mainstream in the US... the performance car market dies a painful death... thankfully we aren't quite there yet but who knows what they are doing w the flock cameras.

Washington, DC is basically ran by congress and recently had a big push to ban ticketing from speeding cameras in DC. The DC government cried about it but they don't actually matter. I don't know what happened but the only reason DC has them is to increase income for the city. Safety hasn't helped at all. The biggest joke of it all is if you live in VA or MD you don't have to pay the tickets anyway so it's all pretty pointless.

[M-technik-3]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Only a matter of time until GPS tracking is used to tax vehicles based on distance traveled.

California and Commachusetts has bills in line for this. Basically they will use your odometer to do based on annual inspection and then send you a Fee another fancy word for another tax.

[Car-Addicted]

Once the automobile was mechanism of personal freedom, now it is becoming the tool of government fascism.

[Altamate]

Originally Posted by RM7

If people stopped crashing and were paying attention, we wouldn't be here.

More like if government stopped wasting money and needing to find other ways to generate it, we wouldn’t be here.

[Altamate]

Our municipal government(rather socialist) brought in Photo Radar as a Safety initiative many years ago. So did a bunch of the cities and towns in our Province. They insisted that it was not for revenue generation, but rather to reduce speeding and associated accidents, injuries and fatalities.

Then to make it more efficient a few years later they privatized it all. Some time after that, it was apparent to most anyone paying attention that the photo speed traps were all located in the highest revenue generating locations, not the most dangerous ones.

Recently (~2yrs ago) and fortunately the Provincial government stepped in and said that all new and exiting photo radar locations would have to justify their safety reasoning or they would be deemed cash cows and banned.

It took a few years but photo radar is now banned in Alberta. All the liberal municipal governments are crying over the lost revenue and reduced safety. But there is little to no evidence the roads are any less safe than before the ban.

This next one is even better, the Provincial government just did a survey on raising the speed limit on all the major divided hyways in the province. The survey was overwhelming in support. Starting this month the first major hyway is getting a 10km/hr boost. If all goes well, the rest will follow.

Sometimes common sense prevails.